by the Intuitive Times with Dr. Richard Gerber,M.D, author of
'Vibrational Medicine - new Choices for Healing Ourselves'
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following is the second part of an interview that the Intuitive
Times conducted with Dr. Richard Gerber, M.D. author of the ground
breaking book Vibrational Medicine. Originally published in 1988,
it underwent a revision and was reprinted in 1996. His book, "Vibrational
Medicine" was a revolutionary bridge between the metaphysical
and medical communities. He continues his work exploring the potential
of vibrational medicine. He has just completed his second book
which is now available.
Gerber received his medical degree from Wayne State University
School of Medicine, and currently practices internal medicine
in a suburb of Detroit. Although he considered himself to be an
analytical and left-brained person, he commenced his education
with strong metaphysical leanings. He has researched alternative
methods for diagnosis and healing, including the use of Kirlian
photography for cancer detection, while continuing to advance
his career in orthodox medicine.
we are beings of energy, then it follows that we can be affected
Those of you who missed the last issue of the Intuitive Times,
we felt we should include this question from the last issue.
The first and most obvious question is What is Vibrational
At a very simplistic level, Vibrational Medicine is the use of
different forms and frequencies of energy in healing. On the one
level, it's the use of electro-magnetic fields in different forms
and frequencies in a way that is kind of like the ‘Star
Trek' way of medicine. You have Dr. Crusher holding her instruments
and scanning the patient and getting life sign readings. When
someone comes in with an injury on the arm, you aim this little
hand held beam and you see the wound close up as the beam energizes
it. I think we're at the infancy of seeing the development those
kinds of technologies for the accelerated diagnostic and wound
healing types of tools which use electro-magnetic frequencies
the area that I think is of even greater interest is the flip
side of those forms of frequencies of energy which is the use
of life force energy. I liken that to the concept presented in
‘Star Wars' of the ‘Force.' The ‘Force' being
a kind of binding energy that connects us one to another and that
is in fact responsive to our consciousness. It is very similar
to the Chinese concept of ‘chi' or life energy that is this
cosmic universal energy that flows through us. Chi Gong Masters
have learned how to move this life force energy or ‘chi'
through their bodies and the meridians to accomplish healing even
at a distance.
other side of "Vibrational Medicine"is learning to deal
with the different frequencies and flavours of life force energy.
This involves the wider spectrum of healing modalities like homeopathic
remedies, flower essences, therapies such as Therapeutic Touch
and spiritual healing. These are all different aspects of what
I consider to be more life force energy than electro-magnetic
energy. I think Vibrational Medicine is the first spiritual science
to evolve that unites science and spirituality in a model that
really looks at human beings as not just a physical mechanism
of flesh and blood, but more like this body, mind spirit complex.
Healing involves the correction of disturbances at all these different
levels. Vibrational Medicines allow us to not only heal the physical
body directly, but to work at the mental and the emotional and
the spiritual levels as well. The electro-magnetic therapies are
not necessarily capable of healing all these levels although they
are certainly in the family of energy healing modalities.
It would appear that a lot of the foundations for Vibrational
Medicine draws on the age-old traditions found in Eastern cultures
like Japan, China and India. Can you discuss that a bit?
There are two models that come into play. One is the model of
the chakras which you find in the Yogic traditions. That is really
more of the spiritual philosophy that is starting to receive a
lot of interest, especially with people like Carolyn Myss in her
approach to energy anatomy and why people don't heal.
idea that there are these major energy centres of the body that
not only supply a universal life energy, that the Yogic Masters
refer to as prana, but there are also emotional and spiritual
energy chakras that are like memory banks of different levels
of emotional experience that relate to certain key issues of human
emotional and spiritual development. For example the lower chakras
not only feed energy to the pelvic area and the sexual organs,
but they also come into play when people have dysfunctional sexual
relationships as well as people who have unscrupulous business
practices and are not really honouring another person. These things
actually translate into disturbances of the chakra system that
go on to create a weakness in the body that may then translate
into a predisposition for an illness that you get in that area
of the body.
able to direct energy healing modality according to that model
as well as trying to shift one's emotions and attitudes that come
into play with those emotional energy centres gives us the guide
as how to relate the ‘why' with what things have to be done
with respect to the shift of one's emotional and spiritual attitudes
with what has to be done in order to bring about long lasting
other aspect of the Eastern model is the Asian or Chinese model
of the acupuncture meridian system is the idea that suggests we
have this bio-circuitry throughout the body that supplies this
life energy that the Chinese call ‘chi' to different organs
of the body and this ‘chi' is affected by the amount of
energy that we inherit from our parents, and such things as diet.
To most Chinese medical practitioners most illness can be translated
into some disturbance in a person's ‘chi' energy.
art of acupuncture involves trying to redirect the flow of this
‘chi' or life energy to the areas of the body that most
need it and are somehow deficient in it because of abnormal flow
of energy through the meridians. The theory of the meridian system
and the more recent Western validation of it's actual existence
has led to whole new technologies as well as treatment approaches.
can actually find the acupressure points which are relay points
along this bio-circuitry network in the body with electrical skin
conduction meters that measure the amount of electricity that
our skin can conduct. The acupressure points actually measure
20 times the amount of electrical current than the surrounding
many physio-therapy departments they have a map of the acupressure
points on the wall because they have found that if you direct
a ‘tens' device (an electrical device for tuning away pain)
put the electrodes not just on a random fashion, but actually
on an energy point that it would increase the pain release by
twice as much.
could actually use these acupressure points on the body not as
treatment points to which you can manipulate energy not only through
needles or finger pressure, but you can place small permanent
magnets from Radio Shack, you can shine different colours of light
- there are so many ways to stimulate these energy points that
it is amazing.
area that I find the most intriguing as far as the future of vibrational
medicine is that in each of these higher circuits, these meridians,
is that you can get electrical information that reflects the health
of the organs that they are connected to. So if you touch the
acu-point on the finger that is connected to the lung or the liver
or the kidney or the bladder, with an instrument called an electro-dermal
diagnostic instrument, you can actually get information about
the health status of all the organs in your body and even find
which types of remedies that are most helpful in re-balancing
energy disturbances in your body to bring about healing. These
two models, the chakra system and the meridian system are key
in understanding the potential of vibrational medicine.
To what do you attribute the inability of Western Medicine
to acknowledge some of the time honoured ‘other' cultural
approaches to medicine?
I think one basic thing is, ‘I didn't learn about it in
medical school so it must not exist. If I don't know about it,
it cannot be possible.' People are very idiosyncratic and ethnocentric
in their opinions. A very telling statement from Chinese healing
researchers dealing with the World Research Foundation had this
discussion about alternative medicine. They asked why do you keep
using this drug therapy - it has so many side affects and all
of these things dealing with herbs and such have so few side effects.
The Chinese consider drug therapy to be an alternative therapy.
A lot of it is just scientific ethno-centrist in that if it doesn't
fall in the scope of people's model, their world view and belief
system, then t they don't have a block that they can fit it in,
they can't file away the understanding. It's kind of similar to
this idea of how perception changes what you see. For instance,
if you have two people seeing the identical light zoom across
the sky - one person looks at it and says ‘I see a plane.'
The other looks at it and says, ‘I don't know, I've never
seen a plane make a 45 degree angle and things like that, I think
it's a UFO.'
perceptual and belief systems cause them to interpret that same
incident differently and I think the same holds true for scientific
viewing - you only see what you allow yourself to see. Some of
this does involve having to change people's opinion about the
basic nature of the world.
How would you describe the ‘other' senses that Vibrational
medicine taps into?
Different people call it differently: some call it ESP, others
like Barbara Brenner call it higher perception. Once again it
involves the chakras. The chakras are actually organs of perception
as well as energy transformers of the body.
third eye, the brow chakra is involved with ‘clairvoyant'
or visual perception of different types of life energy phenomena.
A lot of people see the aura not only with their eyes open but
with their eyes closed - well how does that work? It's probably
because they're getting the information not only through the retina
but also through the brow chakra. The throat chakra is involved
in psychic gifts that might be called clairaudient - being able
to hear certain vibrations that are beyond the auditory range.
The solar plexus has to do with the psychic perceptual ability
of clairsentience of feelings. A lot of people have this common
experience of what they call your ‘gut' instinct. It's not
just something that's limited to women's intuition. It's our perception
as to whether or not something is going right or wrong or should
we trust someone. These are all the effects of some of our extended
energy anatomy because it involves receiving information through
something other than normal channels. That doesn't make them any
less valid. It's just that we need to develop technology that
are as good as the human instrument.
was a researcher from the 1800's called Karl Van Reihnbaeh who
was an industrial chemist who introduced substances like creosote
and parathion and many other items that are still used today.
He did a tremendous amount of research into this life force energy
or subtle energy using with high sensitives who had clairvoyant
abilities. He did all kinds of experimentation, for instance he
would have them look at a bar magnet and in 99 percent of the
cases they could distinguish which was the north pole and which
was the south pole because one pole always glowed blue and the
other pole always glowed pink. I've had other people today replicate
that and the fact that it is a repeatable observation means there
is something really going on.
no one has ever written about this in any text book or it's never
really been accepted, doesn't mean that the information is any
less useful. Future research in vibrational medicine involves
a combination of information gathering from not only instrumentation
but from the human instrument as well. Combining all of the different
ways to measure the energy interaction that's taking place between
the patient and the therapeutic modality or between the patient
and the healer, we still have a lot to learn about what's the
real nature of healing.
Van Reihnbaeh referred to this subtle energy as he called it,
‘Odial. or the odeck force of ? I recently discovered a
book called ‘Rock Science' by author, Vaxillhelx. He did
research on how he saw different energy associated with sunlight
and different crystals. He found that if connected a metallic
plate to a copper wire and placed it on the roof of a building
and you brought the wire into a fairly dark room, the sensitive
could actually see a small beam of light coming out of the copper
wire. He discovered that crystals seemed to be magnifiers of energy.
seen with sensitives is that they become more sensitive to physical
reality - they develop allergies. Earl Smith in his book, ‘Electric
Man' found that there were two phenomena associated with people
who were very allergic and hyper-sensitive. One was they often
developed sensitivities around what they healed and the other
was that they often messed up a lot of electronic equipment.
In your writing your refer to both an outer and an inner energetic
environment. What do you mean by this?
The outer environment would be that which exists beyond the skin,
that would be the energy environment in which we live and electro-magnetic
radiation. Although there are other aspects of it, like some research
has shown that certain intensities of magnetic fields of 50 cycles
per second can accelerate the growth of pre-existing cancer cells.
How that translates into human physiology is another question
and gets into the controversy over power line transformers.
have the outer environment being the universe at large, including
solar energy, the affects of the moon and the stars. Then you
have the whole thing, that has largely been unexplored or earth
energy - called geo-pathic stress or bad earth energy. This is
where it is not what you do or what you eat, it is where you sleep
at night that is making you sick. Often times it relates to that
normal magnetic field gradient and certain types of non-ionized
radiations that are sensitive to certain areas of the planet.
The Chinese approach with Feng Shui is the idea of building and
designing to be in flow with the natural flow of ‘chi' energy
to enhance health and prosperity. The flip side of that is the
geo-pathic stress side of the equation which is that you can be
living in an area which drains your ‘chi' energy.
inner energy environments have to do with the balance of the life
force energy in the acupuncture meridian systems and the chakras
system. You have emotional and mental energies that are part of
the inner energies although they extend out of the physical body.
There are so many energy factors that are involved in health that
we get to see that we very complex life forms living in a very
energetically rich environment with some good and some bad energy.
We are just now beginning to discover that we are benefits of
sunlight that are not even known yet. Ancient approaches used
the power of the sun. There is as whole technology of learning
to tap into the positive energies of the sun that will be part
of a whole new healing evolution.
You use the term ‘frozen light' in some of your writing.
What is it?
It has more to do with the idea of when you look at what we are
made up of, which is atoms, electrons, protons and neutrons. An
electron is not so solid, they are waveable. When you begin to
apply the quantum physics equation to understanding the real nature
of solid matter, it turns out that the particles that make up
thought at a sub-atomic level are actually more akin to frozen
light. In more than a metaphysical way, we are literally beings
of light - as our bodies and atoms that make up our bodies are
clearly patterns of frozen energy.
How does the increased acceptance in therapies such as TT,
Reiki, Spiritual Healing support the principles of Vibrational
It's really a form of popularizations of what are actually very
ancient healing and spiritual principles. It's only now that we
are beginning to discover the science behind many healing approaches
for many years before this scientific approach that were guided
more spiritually and intuitively because they found what worked.
They didn't necessarily know the scientific reasons as to why
it worked. The two are complementary because the Reiki Master
knows the mechanism through which it works and teaches the technique
and now the scientist are saying well , we'd like to study the
Reiki Masters because they can turn on this energy that we now
have this theory to try to explain. It's all very complementary.
You've touched on this a bit but perhaps you can add to it.
Do all energy therapies lend themselves to Western rigidly controlled
scientific studies? Or do we need to develop new research methodology?
We have to develop new research methodology. For example, homeopathy
- if you want to look at what remedies are good for relieving
arthritis pain. If you were doing a double blind drug study then
you would have a placebo versus drugs. But the problem with homeopathy
is that here may be six or seven agents that will benefit six
or seven different people with joint pain in their right hip versus
their left hip, in their left hand versus their right hand, in
pain that gets better with cold or with heat, and in homeopathy
you have to tailor the exact remedy to the patient, you don't
have one healing substance versus a placebo.
have to get more into this evidence based research where you approximate
a scenario using the appropriate selection methods for each patient
on an individual basis and you compare the conventional approach
with the vibrational approach in terms of treatment outcomes -
how many patients got better? Then the big shocker is how much
did it cost? I think what we'll find is that not only is the vibrational
approach better, but it's cheaper with fewer side effects. With
the economics that are helping to drive the greater interest in
vibrational therapy the pre-eminence of the scientific jurisdiction
over what makes sense and what doesn't is what is actually working
and what we can afford. Vibrational healing was around long before
we had pharmaceuticals.
In a world where thoughts become things, it can change the world.
Definitely. So if you can kindle enough minds to create that collective
healing thought form it may be the catalyst that helps to shift
the state of the whole cultural thought form. Unfortunately some
of the practitioners get a little to ego invested. The great spiritual
healers have always claimed that they are merely an agent for
higher spiritual forces working through them. That is one of the
ways that your can tell a truly gifted healer.
the future if there ever is a Mayo Clinic of vibrational medicine
at the International level there has to be at its core a group
of spiritual like mined individuals that are really helping.
It has been said that using diagnostic techniques and our
knowledge of vibrational medicine can create a whole new level
of preventive medicine. Can you explain?
Oh definitely. There will be a day in the future when you go into
your Doctor's office and you'll have a full body MRI scan that
will not only tell you where your current problems are, but will
enable your Doctor to tell you where your energy imbalances and
disturbances are and where they are taking you in terms of potential
illness you might have 5 to 10 years down the road. If we find
disturbances in your liver meridian or your etheric kidneys or
your bladder meridian, then you can start directing nutritional
changes, and mental, emotional and attitudinal changes, nutritional
shifts, vibrational modalities like homeopathy and other things
to rebalance the body before illness ever shows up, It's really
more akin to the original Chinese model where you paid the traditional
Chinese medical practitioner to keep you healthy and when you
got sick he had to pay you back. It was like the first HMO.
How do you know when you pick up a disturbance in the electro-magnetic
field or the etheric body that it is a warning of disease and
not the residue of disease gone by?
Depending on the type of imbalance that you have, you may find
that, depending what actually causes the resonance. For instance
if you pick up an imbalance in the liver meridian and what rebalance
it is 200x potency of the Hepatitis B virus, that tends to imply
that the disturbance was in fact caused by a previous infection
Hepatitis B and it also presents you with the necessary potency
you need to correct the imbalance. It gives you not only diagnosis
in etiology, but provides you with the cure at the same time.
is one of the benefits of this electro-dermal screening - it does
both diagnosis and figures out at the same time what is needed
to rebalance. When you get into homeopathy and that theory then
you get into things like is it my atoms that are the energy predisposition
field is that you may not only have from exposure to toxins and
pathogens in this life time but what you may have actually inherited
in the way of energy predisposition from your parents. The so-called
sins of the father are inherited by the son so to speak. An infection
that your parents actually had, may be passed on as an energetic
pre-disposition towards becoming ill when you turn 50 or 60. That
brings up a whole ball of wax with the potential of disease that
isn't even there yet and yet had the potential for disease and
you can't depend on conventional drug therapy to do anything about
this. You have to deal with energetic modalities
What do you see as the challenges of Vibrational Medicine?
To get people to believe that it is real! That's the biggest one.
The second biggest challenge is in trying to understand how it
works and how to best implement it - in single remedies, in combination,
how do we make synergistic combinations of different remedies
that may work best together. Maybe colour and light works good
with homeopathy or with acupuncture. How do we combine things
to find the best way that they work. The future lies in really
good research and effective communication amongst researchers
and sharing their findings.
can really take a lot from the whole model of cancer research.
They have these oncology groups that share treatment data from
hundreds of patients in medical centres scattered throughout the
world and they share their data on the computer. You could do
the same with alternative therapies and enlist Universities and
Clinics all around the world to study particular modalities and
pool their treatment results which would add fairly large significance
to what the findings are. We can look ans seethe best of what
conventional medicine has brought about in terms of research technique
and see what we can and cannot adapt to studying vibrational medicine
and validating it for the next generation of physician healers.
How does that work? My impression of the Allopathic Medical
community is that it is paternalistic and closed about such things.
I entered Med school with this idea that there were these things
out there like Therapeutic Touch and Acupuncture and I asked my
professors what do you think of this stuff? Is there any thing
to it? How does it work? They all kind of scratched their heads.
I immediately knew that if I was going to get any kind of answers
that I'd have to find them myself. I started my own complementary
and alternative education simultaneously with my conventional
medical education and let me tell you - that hurt my head but
better to find out at that stage when your asking these questions.
Here I was learning about all these drugs and memorizing these
hundreds of side effects and on the other hand hearing about these
energy healing modalities that don't have the same side-effects
and may produce longer lasting healing effects. It makes you realize
the world is not a black and white place. You have to learn to
live in the gray zone where you have to recognize how to get a
blend of the best of all worlds and figure out how to work within
the mainstream and still study this kind of stuff. I've really
been involved in studying or researching this stuff for more than
Can you share with us a bit about your background with respect
to how you became interested in metaphysics?
I've just always been interested in energy in one form or another.
When I was 5 or 6, I was nick named the mad scientist by some
of my friends and teachers. I've always been a little bit different
than most kids, a little more introspective, a little more interested
in psychic phenomena, things like death. It really came to a head
when I started medical school and became interested in the whole
nature of healing. I guess it first started with an interest in
parapsychology and that shifted more toward an interest in what
at that time was called paranormal healing. That branched out
into this whole encompassing field of vibrational medicine.
Is there any thing else you'd like to say?
The biggest thing I've learned in all of this is probably the
most powerful healing force that I've found in all of this is
the power of love, unconditional love. Human beings have a natural
haling capacity that they never told us about because we were
not born with an owner's maintenance manual.
have this capacity for loving and for healing, which is really
just the intention to help or heal another person that is the
catalyst in releasing that healing potential with other people.
If more people could become aware of the fact that they have this
tremendous healing capacity already within their grasp, that would
do so much to advance vibrational medicine and healing - I can't
even begin to think of all the ways. It goes back to the same
basic spiritual truths - that love and forgiveness and releasing
fear as a lot to do with who becomes sick and who becomes well
and how we can help other people along the path to finding that
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